I'm not pulling out of my driveway.

We all know what that means.

It's time for other drive-to-work, coronavirus edition.

So, as you guys know, every week, I try to do a fun interview.

So I'm going back to the past.

If somebody who's probably been on this podcast more than anybody else other than maybe my daughter, Rachel,

Matt Kavada, who has had many, many hats. He's waving, but you can't see him

wave because this is an audio interview, but let's see you know he's waiting. Okay, so Matt,

hello. Hello. Okay, Matt. So we're going to start with a question I've been starting with

everybody, which is, how did you get into magic? Well, we have to go way back to 1994, and some friends of mine and I would frequent a comic book shop.

And while we were there, the guy behind the counter saw a few potential rubs that he could rope into

playing this game with him that at the time not a lot of people were playing. And he showed us

some cards. And I can say that for the three of us, you know, we absolutely bit the lure, but I in particular

was immediately captivated by the artwork and the variation.

There were so many different things at play on the cards. And I was like, sign me up.

We bought a bunch of, uh, there, we didn't buy any packs. This is what was weird. We just flipped

through his binder and picked out individual cards in piles and went back to our house and

fudged together decks and played breaking every rule you could imagine.

We played wrong for months before we realized that there was a real way to do it.

But it didn't matter.

It didn't matter.

Is it the red pill or the blue pill that you take when you, when you accept the reality?

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