I'm not pulling out of the driveway.

We all know what that means.

It's time for another drive-thru work, coronavirus edition.

Okay, so for today's interview, I have one of the early magic designers, Mike Elliott.

So, Mike, thanks for joining us.

Hi, Mark.

Hi, Mark's listeners.

Good to be here.

Okay, so, Mike, I'm going to start where I start all these interviews is, how did you get into Magic?

Oh, wow, that's an interesting story. I got introduced to Magic by one of my friends named Jeff Goldsmith. He's a very avid gamer. I actually still stay in touch with them. I see him every

year at the gathering of friends, which is kind of a game convention for game designers.

I started playing bridge back in 1987, and I played with a group of people from college and grad school,

and we would kind of travel around to all these events and all around the West Coast.

And I was at an event in Pasadena, like the end of May, early June of 94.

And we were staying at Jeff's house.

And after the events, we would basically, like, the events would end around midnight, and we would go back and we would basically play games until like two or three in the morning, get up, play bridge, go back home, play games again, and repeat that for like three or four days.

And he would always introduce like all of these weird like core

hobby board games. Some of the ones we played were like Barbu, a choir just come out so we

would play a lot of a choir, kind of formula day. And one night he pulled out like kind of this deck of cards

and he's like, oh, this is a new game called Magic.

And I'm like, okay, this sounds fun.

And there were like five of us.

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