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Coronavirus edition. So today, my interview is Jules Robbins, a member of the R&D team. So, Jules, welcome.

Hi. Glad to be here.

Okay, so Jules, I'll ask you the question I ask everybody. How did you start playing magic?

So I guess I was about seven years old.

I'd been playing some other card games recently come out,

aimed at kids, and walked on to the playground one day,

and some kids were playing with these cool-looking cards.

There was this purple drake and a swirl on one of them, a classic windrake.

And I asked what they were playing, and they briefly tried to explain the rules to me,

and I was hooked.

Demanded some cards for my birthday, which was a couple weeks later and we were off to the races.

Okay, so when was that? What was your first set? Like, roughly when was that?

Yeah, so they were playing with seventh edition cards right around the Odyssey Seth edition. Okay. Okay. So how long were you

just a player? At some point we'll get to Wizards, but how long were you just sort of a magic player?

Yeah. So I guess that would have been like 2000, so about 15 years before starting at Wizards.

Was it continuous? Did you take breaks or did you play all the way through?

It was continuous the amount I played varied somewhat.

Sometimes it was like, I'll play a game every couple months with my brother,

and sometimes it was like, magic is my life,

but I never stopped completely.

So I want to get into one of the things that you did before you got to Wizards,

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