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The History of Literature

781 Laurie Frankel's Enormous Wings | My Last Book with Rhodri Lewis

The History of Literature

Jacke Wilson

History, Arts, Books

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2026

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

"And one man in his time plays many parts," wrote Shakespeare in As You Like It, "[h]is acts being seven ages." We all know the feeling of passing from one phase to the next. But what happens when something dramatic mashes these acts together? In this episode, Jacke talks to New York Times bestselling author (and HOL superguest) Laurie Frankel about her novel Enormous Wings, in which a woman who should be enjoying her golden years is suddenly forced to contemplate a return to an earlier stage of life. PLUS Shakespeare scholar Rhodri Lewis (Shakespeare's Tragic Art) stops by to discuss his choice for the last book he will ever read. Will he turn to Shakespeare during his final act, or opt for something else? The music in this episode is by Gabriel Ruiz-Bernal. Learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠gabrielruizbernal.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Help support the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon.com/literature⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠historyofliterature.com/donate. The History of Literature Podcast is a member of Lit Hub Radio and the Podglomerate Network. Learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thepodglomerate.com/historyofliterature. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

The History of Literature Podcast is a member of the Podglomerate Network and Lit Hub Radio.

0:08.8

I'm Alan and I'm Sean and together we host the prancing pony podcast.

0:12.9

Every week I explore Middle Earth with Sean or with other co-hosts lately with in-depth analysis and plenty of nerd humor.

0:18.5

From The Hobbit to the Lord of the Rings and more,

0:21.1

it's a great way for first timers to experience J.R.R.R. Tolkien's captivating world. And for

0:25.7

long-time fans, it's a deep dive into their favorite stories. So if you're ready to take

0:29.6

the next step into the most beloved world in fantasy literature and become a part of a vibrant

0:34.5

active community of listeners, then look for The Prancing Pony

0:37.9

Podcast, wherever you listen. Hello, what happens when your stages of life blur into one

0:43.8

another? Shakespeare gave us some insight into that, and our guest today, Lori Frankel,

0:48.7

has written a novel that explores it in a big and getting bigger way. Spoiler alert.

0:56.1

Lori Frankel's enormous wings and Lori Frankel herself today on the history of literature.

1:06.5

Okay, here we go. I'm Jack Wilson, your host. Welcome to the podcast. This is a fun one.

1:15.4

Our longtime friend of the show, Lori Frankel is here, and she's going to tell us all about her new novel, Enormous Wings.

1:21.7

But first, let's start with Shakespeare. I don't think Lori will mind. This comes from the play, as you like it.

1:29.1

It's one of Shakespeare's most famous passages.

1:31.5

He condenses the entirety of human life into 25 lines or so.

1:36.4

He said, well, before we get to what he says, let's remember, of course, that Shakespeare

1:42.1

himself was a creature of the theater, a playwright, an actor,

1:46.3

what was called a sharer, which, in other words, is a partial owner and operator of the productions.

1:53.4

So the metaphor here comes naturally to him, all the world's a stage, and all the men and women,

2:00.2

merely players.

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