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Today's guest is Zanepp Tufekchi. She is a contributing opinion writer at the New York Times,

and she's an associate professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,

with an affiliate appointment in the Department of Sociology. She's also a faculty associate

at the Harvard Berkman Center for Internet and Society, and was previously a fellow at the Center

for Information Technology Policy at Princeton University. And her research interests revolve

around the intersection of technology and society. Her academic work focuses on social movements,

privacy and surveillance, and social interaction. She's also increasingly known for her work on

big data and algorithmic decision making. And she's originally from Turkey and formerly a computer

programmer, but has taken that background in interesting and increasingly relevant directions.

And she's the author of Twitter and Tear Gas, the Power and Fragility of Network Protest.

And we get into many interesting topics here, relevant to information security,

and things like WikiLeaks, and ransomware attacks, the fake news phenomenon,

all increasingly relevant as we depend more and more on the internet and draw our beliefs about

reality from what happens there. So without further preamble, I bring you Zanepp Tufekci.

I am here with Zanepp, Jesus, Zanepp. I know, I swear to you that no bungling

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