774: What Innovative Leaders Do Different, with Linda Hill
Coaching for Leaders
Dave Stachowiak
4.8 • 1.6K Ratings
🗓️ 16 March 2026
⏱️ 36 minutes
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Summary
Linda Hill: Genius at Scale
Linda Hill is the Wallace Brett Donham Professor of Business Administration and Faculty Chair of the Leadership Initiative at Harvard Business School. Globally recognized as a top leadership and innovation expert, Linda has been named by Thinkers50 as one of the world’s top five management thinkers. She is the co-author, along with Emily Tedards and Jason Wild, of Genius at Scale: How Great Leaders Drive Innovation (Amazon, Bookshop)*
We all want to think of ourselves as innovative, but it’s often not easy to know exactly what that means in practice. In this conversation, Linda and I explore what her research shows that leaders do to drive innovation successfully – and how each of us can get just a bit better.
Key Points
- Rather than coming up with a vision and asking people to follow it, innovation is about creating the culture and capabilities to create the future together.
- Innovation leadership shows up in three ways within organizations: the Architects, the Bridge Builders, and the Catalysts.
- Instead of setting the stage for themselves, innovative leaders set the stage for others.
- Often, we view horizontal relationships through the lens of organizational politics. The most effective innovation leaders view these relationships as leadership opportunities.
- Traditional team structures are a starting point, but not an ending point. Leaders at Mastercard, Pfizer, and Cleveland Clinic all brought in team members from both inside and outside the organization.
- Rather than thinking about a decision as final, it’s helpful for innovation leaders to frame it as a “working hypothesis.”
Resources Mentioned
- Genius at Scale: How Great Leaders Drive Innovation by Linda Hill, Emily Tedards, and Jason Wild (Amazon, Bookshop)*
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| 0:00.0 | We all want to think of ourselves as innovative, but it's often not easy to know exactly what that means in practice. |
| 0:07.3 | In this episode, what leaders do to drive innovation successfully and how each of us can get just a bit better. |
| 0:15.7 | This is Coaching for Leaders, Episode 7774. |
| 0:20.1 | Produced by Innovate Learning, Maximizing Human Potential. |
| 0:28.3 | Greetings to you from Orange County, California. This is Coaching for Leaders, and I'm your |
| 0:33.7 | host, Dave Stahoviac. Leaders are born. They're made. And this weekly show helps |
| 0:40.0 | leaders thrive at key inflection points. An inflection point so many of us are at is thinking about |
| 0:46.7 | innovation. How do we do a better job as innovative leaders? And what do innovative leaders do |
| 0:53.5 | differently? Today, I'm so glad to welcome |
| 0:55.8 | one of the top experts on innovation to help us think about this in a new way from what we |
| 1:01.4 | often think about it traditionally and also some great invitations and distinctions to help us |
| 1:05.5 | innovate inside of our organizations better. I'm so pleased to welcome Linda Hill to the show. |
| 1:11.6 | Linda is the Wallace Brett Dunham Professor of Business Administration and Faculty Chair of the Leadership Initiative |
| 1:16.4 | at Harvard Business School. Globally recognized as a top leadership and innovation expert, |
| 1:21.7 | Linda has been named by Thinkers 50 as one of the world's top five management thinkers. |
| 1:26.6 | She is the co-author along with Emily |
| 1:28.6 | Tedderts and Jason Wilde of Genius at Scale, How Great Leaders Drive Innovation. Linda, |
| 1:35.5 | a pleasure to have you on. Pleasure to be here with you. I have been thinking about your work |
| 1:41.7 | and looking at all of the research you've done. |
| 1:45.7 | And one of the words that just keeps coming up for me is distinctions. |
| 1:49.8 | And so many distinctions came up and thinking about innovation and what the, |
| 1:54.8 | what innovative leaders are doing. |
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