The names and the stories in this episode have been omitted to protect the privacy of the individuals involved.

This is Jockel Podcast number 77 with Echo Charles and me, Jockel Willink.

Good evening, Echo. Good evening.

And tonight we welcome back to the show Retired Chief Warn Officer Roger Hayden.

And if you don't know who Roger Hayden is, then just stop right now and go back to episode 37 of this podcast.

And you can listen to Roger came on for a short period of time.

We had some time constraints on the first time that Roger came on.

But he's one of the men on which the reputation of the SEAL teams is built.

Started off as a frogman member of the underwater demolition teams and deployed to Vietnam with underwater demolition team 12.

And then came back and checked into SEAL team one where he deployed again two times to Vietnam.

And then spent 30 years in the SEAL teams and then as a civilian has another how many years?

Twenty.

So we're just looking at a solid 50 years of service to Naval Special Warfare in the SEAL teams.

So like I said, Roger's been on before and I'm telling one real quick story to kind of give a little background as to Roger's attitude about things.

And so I was on and I told this part of the story last time we were on a ship.

We were we were having our operational readiness exercise was being graded.

It's called an ORE and the person that's grading it is Roger Hayden.

So you know the young SEAL platoons were getting graded and making sure that we know what we're doing.

And at this point Roger is a Warren officer.

So he's a commissioned officer and he's out on the ship with us going, you know, watching how we're planning and seeing how we're preparing for the SEAL team.

And seeing how we're preparing our gear and making sure that we're we know what we're doing.

Like I said, and as a commissioned officer, you're supposed to be eating in what's called the war room with the rest of the officers.

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