Welcome to How Leaders Lead, where every week you get to listen in while I interview some of the

very best leaders in the world. I break down the key learning so that by the end of the episode,

you'll have something simple you can apply as you develop into a better leader. That's what

this podcast is all about. Today's guest is James

Gorman, the chairman and CEO of Morgan Stanley. Now, James is an Aussie, and in Australia, there's

something known as the Tall Poppy Syndrome. Now, in a field of poppies, there's always one or two

that stand out from the rest, and it disrupts the beauty of the field.

And for that reason, they'll snip off those poppies.

They trim them down so that they don't stand out amongst the others.

Now, what's really interesting is that in the Australian culture,

Australians do this with one another.

If someone starts to succeed and begin to think too highly of themselves, they help to keep each other grounded. And it's important for all

of us as leaders to know who keeps us grounded. Humility is vital if we want our success to be

sustainable. I think you're going to get a lot out of this conversation today,

so let's get right at it.

Here's my conversation with my friend,

and soon to be yours, James Gorman.

James, thanks so much for taking the time to join us.

David, it's great to be here and I'm honored to be one of your guests.

I've watched and listened to the podcast over the years and you've done an amazing job.

Well, thank you very much.

And, you know, James, speaking of amazing jobs, you took over at Morgan Stanley in 2010.

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