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#77: BONUS EPISODE - Talking "Incendiary" with author Michael Cannell

Real Crime Profile

Real Crime Profile / Wondery

True Crime, Society & Culture, Exhibit C, Documentary

4.210.5K Ratings

🗓️ 30 June 2017

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

The RCP Team (Jim Clemente, Laura Richards and Lisa Zambetti) talk with Michael Cannell, the author of the new acclaimed book "Incendiary: The Psychiatrist, the Mad Bomber and the Invention of Criminal Profiling. They discuss the legendary case of the Mad Bomber of New York and how the pioneer of criminal profiling cracked the case. Also the controversial article about profiling by Malcolm Gladwell is addressed.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:07.3

Hey everyone, it's Lisa Z from RCP.

0:10.3

Today we have a special bonus episode for you where we interview the author Michael Canal about his new book called Incendiary,

0:17.0

which is about the mad bomber who terrorized New York in the 1950s and about the psychiatrist who helped police catch him by creating the first ever

0:25.2

criminal profile. So I have to tell you that a funny thing happened on the weighty recording this episode.

0:30.0

The entire building housing our recording studio had a power outage and we were completely stuck. This was the one day when everybody was available

0:38.4

and we only had this brief little window of time to record Laura in London, Michael in New York and Jim and I in LA.

0:44.8

So we had to scramble and we ran to a friend's house, Jim and I jammed into his guest bedroom, set up our Skype and had to make do with our laptops to record.

0:54.3

So we apologized that the sound quality isn't perfect but we did the best we could with what we had.

1:00.8

We really wanted to talk to Michael about his book, not only about the invention of profiling, but how to compare the mad bomber to the unibomber.

1:09.1

And we also talk about a very controversial article written by Malcolm Gladwell that attempted to debunk profiling as a junk science and you will definitely want to hear what Jim has to say about that.

1:19.7

So all that is up next on Real Crime Profile.

1:24.1

A 15 year reign of terror ended in New York when George Matesky was captured and admitted bombing 21 public places with a deranged motif revenge.

1:33.9

Also ended with the spy career of Colonel Abel arrested after nine years as master Russian agents.

1:40.4

Operating a stone's throw from the federal building he met his fate there in the form of a long prison turn.

1:46.8

Desperation drove the police to pursue a course they had never before considered in the department's 111 year history.

1:59.8

On that late fall afternoon, Captain Finney and his two bomb squad side kicks left headquarters to call on Dr. James A. Brussell, a psychiatrist with expertise in the workings of the criminal mind.

2:13.3

If physical evidence could not lead the police to F.P. maybe emotional insights could.

2:20.2

Catching criminals was police work. What could a psychiatrist know about it?

2:25.6

Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. This is your host Jim Clementi, former New York City prosecutor and retired FBI profiler with my co-host.

2:35.4

Laura Richards, criminal behavioral analyst and former New Scotland Yard, advocate author and founder and director of Paladin National Stalking Advocacy Service.

2:45.2

And I'm Lisa Zambezi. I'm the casting director for Criminal Minds where Jim Clementi is my colleague.

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