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I cannot describe the pain that my family has went through. You know, they didn't just kill my son. They killed part of me.

They killed a part of my wife and her daughter. I'm so frustrated because it seems like they have so much rights.

We have no rights. What about our son's rights? We're in hell with his rights on that ditch bank. He had no rights.

Well, he and me and a couple little boys were just beautiful little boys. A playin'. Those little boys still believe in Santa Claus.

They were beaten to death. I saw my grandson at the funeral home before he was taken out of a body bag just like he came back from the corner.

And it was pitiful.

Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. I'm Lisa Zambetti. I'm the casting director for CBS's long running show Criminal Minds,

which has led me to have a real interest in real crime and the minds that solve those crimes.

And two of my favorite minds are those of my co-hosts, Jim Clemente, former New York City prosecutor, retired FBI profiler,

who is my colleague as a writer and producer on Criminal Minds, and also Laura Richards, former New Scotland Yard analyst, advocate,

all around badass superwoman. Today's episode continues the conversation I had with Laura about the murders of three eight year old boys in Westman,

Fissark and Saw, Christopher Buyers, Stephen Branch, and Michael Moore, and the three teenagers who were accused and convicted of killing them.

When we left off, Laura, who was on Skype from London, and I had been discussing one of the teens, Jesse Miskelli's first confession to law enforcement.

Today, we are going to jump right back in and discuss his other, quote-unquote, confessions.

We'll also talk about the occult in America, Led Zeppelin, Ouija Boards, and something else that might just surprise you about Laura.

You'll have to listen and find out what that is. I do want to warn you that there'll be some graphic descriptions of the crime scene in this episode,

but I think I keep my own profanity to a minimum this time.

We know that in particular, it's not something that happens in the UK anymore as far as I'm aware, but the US system is quite different where police tactics on interviews, sorry, police in an interrogation are allowed to use deception and disinformation to pressure a suspect, and they can basically say that there's evidence and forensics, for example,

that put somebody at a scene or they could say a polygraph result says one thing rather than another, or they can say things like, you're going to be convicted anyway without a confession, but if you confess, your sentence will be much more lenient.

And you know, some are told that a confession is the only way to avoid the death penalty.

And so these tactics can be used and they are incredibly persuasive. And if you are alone individual in that situation with authority figures bearing down on you, and of course we don't know what happened 45 minutes prior.

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