I'm not pulling out of the driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for other drive-to-work,

coronavirus edition. Okay, so I've been doing some fun interviews, and I have yet another

fun guest. So, Ethan Fleischer, say hello. Hello. So Ethan, actually, by the way,

is my first guest in this sort of interview that was actually in my car at one point, back when I did interviews with people sitting next to me.

That's right. Me and Matt Cavalda and a few other people got to ride in your car with you.

Yes, the old school, old school car uh, interviews when they would actually carpool.

Um, so, uh, we, if you want to, Ethan and I talk all about the great designer search, which

is how Ethan got into this.

And so, um, we're not going to talk a lot about the great designer search today just

because we did a whole podcast on that.

Um, but if you want to hear about Ethan and the Great Designer Search, and there's 30 plus minutes of that, of him writing with me. So anyway,

so Ethan, we're going to start with that question I've been asking everybody, which is how did

you get into magic? Oh, my friend in high school went to Jen Con and brought back a bunch of alpha magic cards.

And he was very excited about it.

He was like, we've got to try this.

And our whole gaming group tried out playing with the magic cards and we loved it.

And then we were like, we've got to buy this.

And we couldn't because there weren't any.

And we had to wait until, I think, Arabian Nights came out and Unlimited came out before we could actually buy the cards.

But we were hooked right from the beginning as soon as the game came out.

Okay, so did you play continuously from first learning about magic up till you enter the

great designer search or was there off times in between? No, I took breaks here and there.

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