So I'm not pulling out of the driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for the drive-to-work, coronavirus edition.

Okay, so I've been doing fun interviews. That continues. I today have Mike Turian.

Hey, Mark. It's good to not be in your car.

Yes, well, you join me on my drive-to-work. Man, this used to mean something. Now it's sitting in my den. Okay, so I'll start with the question I've been asking everybody. How did you get into magic?

Okay, so I started playing magic. The first pack of magic that I purchased was The Dark.

So a couple of years ago now.

Yeah.

And the way it sort of happened was originally I had heard about magic through, I was in high school at the time.

And, you know, in English class, sort of in the back of the room,

these guys, they were playing this card game.

I didn't really know what it was, but, you know, it looked fun.

It looked interesting.

And they actually taught me to play when we were at sort of this overnight camp.

And, you know, I kind of treated it as like any other sort of board game of like, hey, that was a funny evening activity.

But then I, my mom sent me to a different leadership training program.

I remember the name Slap very well.

It was like student leadership something, something.

And which I, me and my high school friends, of course, had fun times with.

And at that activity, my friend Ari Stulman, every day, it was a week-long program.

And on Monday, he's like, hey, you've got to come to check out this game.

And on Tuesday, he said it again and I

and finally when you asked me for the third time on Wednesday uh I was like all right fine like I could tell you

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