Welcome back to the Diet Doctor Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Brett Schur.

Today I'm joined by two special guests, Dr. David Robinheimer and Dr. Steven Simpson.

And they are basically bug biologists in Australia. And as we talk about, it's pretty remarkable

that these two bug biologists throughout their

career have made some amazing discoveries that apply to the basis of human nutrition.

And what I mean by that is they discovered the protein leverage.

And as we talk about the protein leverage hypothesis, that we are basically genetically hardwired

to eat enough food until we reach a protein

target. But here's what's interesting. As we talk about in this interview, the protein target

isn't always the same. It changes with age and it can change also with environment and we can change

it ourselves sort of based on our goals and our lifestyle. And the basis of this hypothesis

or this biological finding of protein leverage is that too little protein is a bad thing, right,

in the sense that it's going to stimulate us to overeat calories to get enough protein.

But does that mean that more protein is always better? Well,

Steve and David, as you'll hear, think that more protein is not necessarily better. And they're

pretty big advocates that too much protein leads to lower longevity. That's what they found in a lot

of their bug data, whether it was locusts and also in their rodent data with mice. But the question that I have is how does that then apply to humans?

Humans are in a different environment, right?

If we have insulin resistance and we're obese and we're living in a world where we're

stimulated by constant food supply, we need to find a way to eat that's going to appease

our appetite, lower our hunger, and benefit

our metabolic health. And protein plays a big role for that. So how do you take that and balance it

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