I'm John Batchel with my colleague and co-host Bill Rajov, senior fellow of FDD, and David Diyud watching Lebanon and Gaza for the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy. His reporting is on Long War Journal routinely.

The introduction by the ambassador to the United Nations from the United States, Mr. Wals, of a 10-point plan from the Trump

administration led with the Board of Peace to oversee Gaza. A technocratic apolitical

committee of competent Palestinians from the strip is the quote from the 10-point plan.

I don't have it.

I'm reading from characterization of it and quotes from it in the New York Times.

David, this is Mr. Trump saying, take it or leave it, which is a negotiating tactic.

I understand. It works

in Manhattan development. I don't know that it's the same in Gaza, but the ambition here is to

come up with something that's moving forward with the less than half of Gaza now in control of Hamas.

Is this a credible plan or is it the opening round of plans? Or will there be others, David?

Look, I think to your point, this is probably an opening negotiation tactic. I think what the Trump

administration is trying to do is to try to get the international community and actors that can,

in fact, act and operate on the ground in Gaza.

I think we have no interest in that in running the day-to-day in Gaza, despite, you know,

certain statements by the president back in February that Gaza would effectively become the 51st state.

But putting that aside, I think what President Trump is trying to do is create active international engagement in the Gaza Strip, which is something that has not existed before.

The Israelis pulled out of Gaza in 2005, and by 2007 it was in Hamas's hands.

And while international actors, the United Nations and others, did operate in the Gaza Strip,

they weren't actively involved in precluding the rise of Hamas or in creating alternatives

for Palestinians, I think what President Trump wants to see is a future for Gaza that does not

slide back into Hamas's control that is precluded from, or that precludes Hamas from, from reasserting

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