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Energized with Dr. Mariza

753: The Brain's Hidden Role in Chronic Pain, Migraines & Fatigue with Dr. Howard Schubiner

Energized with Dr. Mariza

Dr. Mariza Snyder

Medicine, Alternative Health, Health & Fitness

4.8998 Ratings

🗓️ 9 June 2026

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

What if your chronic pain, migraines, anxiety, fatigue, IBS, or other persistent symptoms aren't permanent at all? In this fascinating conversation, Dr. Mariza sits down with Dr. Howard Schubiner, physician, researcher, and leading expert in neuroplastic symptoms, to explore a groundbreaking approach that is helping people reverse chronic pain and other conditions long considered lifelong and irreversible. Dr. Schubiner explains how the brain creates pain as a protective danger signal, why emotional injuries can activate the same neural pathways as physical injuries, and how unresolved trauma, chronic stress, adverse childhood experiences, and self-silencing can contribute to chronic symptoms years or even decades later. Together, they discuss the growing body of research around neuroplastic pain, the connection between emotions and physical symptoms, and why many people continue suffering despite normal scans, medications, and conventional treatments. Dr. Mariza also shares her own experience with chronic migraines, leading to a powerful live demonstration of how pain reprocessing techniques can begin shifting the brain's expectations and neural patterns in real time. This conversation offers hope for anyone who has been told they simply need to manage their symptoms for the rest of their life. HOWARD SCHUBINER Dr. Howard Schubiner is a physician, researcher, educator, and one of the leading voices in the field of neuroplastic symptoms. He is the author of Unlearn Your Pain and has spent decades helping patients recover from chronic pain, migraines, fibromyalgia, IBS, anxiety, chronic fatigue, and other conditions through evidence-based approaches rooted in neuroscience, emotional processing, and neuroplasticity. IN THIS EPISODE What neuroplastic symptoms are and why they are often misunderstood How childhood experiences, trauma, and chronic stress can contribute to chronic pain Why migraines, IBS, fibromyalgia, anxiety, and fatigue may share similar brain-based mechanisms The powerful connection between emotions and physical symptoms How pain reprocessing therapy helps retrain the brain's danger signals Why self-silencing and people-pleasing often show up in women with chronic symptoms The role of emotional awareness and expression in healing A live demonstration of changing neural pathways through visualization and safety signals QUOTES“Pain can be a message that our brain sends.” “Emotional injury causes the same parts of the brain to light up as physical injury.” “Chronic pain is not necessarily a life sentence.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Use code ENERGIZED and get 30% off on your first BATCH order http://hellobatch.com/ENERGIZED Get your copy of Dr. Howard Schubiner Newest Book now https://www.amazon.com/Unlearn-Your-Pain-Recovering-Depression/ Unlearn Your Pain Website The Association for the Treatment of Neuroplastic Symptoms (ATNS) Howard Schubiner Instagram Howard Schubiner Facebook RELATED EPISODES  751: Bloating, Brain Fog & Hormone Chaos? Your Gut May Be the Root Cause with Dr. Cassie Smith 743: Why Your Heart Risk Changes in Menopause (And What You Can Do About It) with Dr. Jayne Morgan 717: “I Don’t Feel Like Myself Anymore”: The Mental & Emotional Reality of Perimenopause 741: Estrogen, Gut Health, Mitochondria, and Cardiovascular Health: What Changes In Perimenopause with Dr. Siobhan Mitchel

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0:00.0

A lot of people say our work is too good to be true.

0:05.1

Sometimes people recover in three to four days, three to four weeks, three to four months.

0:09.5

I'm a chronic migraine sufferer, and there's no amount of medication that's fixing this right now.

0:14.9

Provocative testing, the way I do it, is to take a trigger for a symptom and to have people imagine it and see what happens.

0:25.6

Do you have any triggers for your migraine?

0:27.5

I wake up with them every morning.

0:29.7

So the trigger is sleep.

0:31.6

Sleep.

0:32.8

I am open to all possibilities of healing, like any possibility of healing, like to not be, you know,

0:39.3

in chronic pain. So do you want to do an experiment? Let's just see what you're... All right.

0:44.3

Welcome back to the energized with Dr. Marisa podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Marisa, and I'm here

0:51.2

to help you rock your hormones, optimize your metabolic health, and

0:55.0

feel energized in your body so that you can age powerfully and wake up feeling amazing

1:00.6

in your body for many years to come. Let's jump on in. Have you ever felt like your body is

1:07.4

screaming for help or support or solution? But every test comes back as normal or normal-ish,

1:15.7

or maybe there isn't even a diagnostic to fully explain what you're experiencing.

1:23.5

You know, I've been very transparent here on the energized podcast that for years, I've struggled

1:28.8

with chronic migraines. And over the last nine months, they have really ratcheted up to the

1:34.5

point that I'm having 20 plus migraines a month. Right now, I'm sitting here recording this,

1:41.1

a little brain foggy because I have a migraine hangover. And I've also

1:46.8

walked through periods of chronic fatigue, anxiety, and symptoms that don't always fit into a

1:52.8

diagnosis or have a straightforward answer and solution. And I know that so many women listening

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