I'm not pulling out on my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for the drive to work,

coronavirus edition. Okay, I have a very special guest today, someone from Magic's way back in Magic's

past, so I want to introduce Scaf Elias. Hello. Okay, so Scaf, I think this story will help people

understand sort of your connection connection to the game so

what was your first interaction with magic my first interaction with magic uh my first interaction with magic

uh my first interacting with magic was richard asking if i wanted to play a new game that he had invented

and pulling me aside to an office that I was, I believe was the astronomy lounge in DRL at

Penn University. We were both in grad school there. And then we played the game. And how long was that

before Magic came out so people understand the...

Oh, about two years before it came out.

I believe I was the third person to ever play Magic.

Okay.

So what was...

I played with one other person before, Barry Reich.

Some people know him as bit.

And then I believe I was the second person he brought in.

Okay.

So the second person... The third. Okay. So the second person,

the third,

other than Scaff and Barry.

So what was it like working,

like being a playtefter on a game that wasn't even necessarily,

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