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And welcome to another episode of Dogma Debate. And this one is a follow-up to a previous one. You may remember that

we had Officer Daniel De Leon on the show not long ago. He is a retired LAPD officer.

I said on the show at the time that I know that my progressive card, my liberal card, is going

to be revoked because I came out very pro-police.

And so I thought I would have the other side of that coin on the show.

And so today we have Green.

And Green is going to argue for abolish the police, get rid of the police.

In fact, in my communications with Green before the show,

Green told me that he believes in the idea of ACAB, ACAB, which hilariously, I had to

look that up. And the first thing that I was told by Siri was that a cab is a taxi or a car

for hire. I was like, no, I don't think that's what

I don't think that's what Green was going for on that one. No, ACAB is all cops are bastards.

So this is a strong point of view. And I think I'm of the opposite point of view. But either way,

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