I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Hey, I'm Adam Carolla.

Hi, my name is Penn Gillette.

Not only listening, I'm a guest.

I'm a pen and teller, and I am the fourth listener.

And I am the fourth listener.

And that must make me at least the fourth listener.

It's Dogma Debate with your host, Michael Regillio.

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And welcome to what could be considered a debate here on dogma debate or just a conversation of two gentlemen of differing opinions.

But it is the return of Matthew Brandon Robinson, my old friend.

You might remember him when we had what was a debate, but got a little heated.

Some called it a screaming match.

And the topic was, is Trump a fascist uh with donald trump

back in office in my opinion that he's a fascist unchanged i thought i'd have matthew back this time we're

we've we've agreed to keep it a little more sedate to keep it a little more calm and, to keep it a little more calm.

And he is still of the opinion that Trump is not a fascist, or at least as he said to me just

moments ago, he doesn't like using that term.

So we'll have that conversation and we'll see where it goes.

Matthew, welcome back to Dogma debate.

Hey, good to be back, Michael. I think the most

amusing comment I read in the Patreon was, I think someone basically said that, like, you guys are

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