Welcome to the Mac Power Users, I'm David Sparks and joined by everyone's favorite

co-host, Mr Stephen Hackett. How you doing, Stephen?

Everyone, that feels nice. You are. You're everybody's favorite co-host man.

I like that. Yeah. And we got a guest today. Welcome to the show, John Buck.

Thanks for having me. So, John, John, we're going to get into this, but you wrote a book that caught my attention and I devoured

it and I knew, I knew about four pages in that we wanted to have you on on Mac power users. This book is all about

the Apple Technology Group, this really interesting section of Apple in the 80s and 90s,

and we will get to that don't worry

But a couple of housekeeping things on more power users which is the ad free longer version of the show.

John you're going to be sticking around we're going to talk about HyperCard which is this

fascinating application that came out of Apple actually came out of a trip by an employee.

We will get into all of that and more power users.

Membership to back power users also gets you access to the relay discord,

a couple of members only podcast,

and starting, actually right about now

as this episode comes out, our annual specials.

So all relay members get access to these.

And on the MPU one, David and I,

we spoke about our very earliest computer days.

For David, that predates the Mac. For for me I did not start on the Mac, but we get into

that we got a bunch of fun links to some wild computers from the from the olden days. So if you're a member, look out for that. Anything else, David, we need to touch on?

No, but I could have easily in that special talked about hypercard there too so I'm

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