Was it correct pronunciation of the last name Demers? Demers?

Demers?

Demers? Demers.

Works.

Yes.

And we're like, second podcast of 2016 Phil, how you feel about that?

I'm ecstatic Joe.

I can't even like begin to thank you for this.

And honestly, if it wasn't for my having been on this podcast two years ago and returning

now in a very timely manner, I think I'd be a fish dead out of water.

What do you mean? Well in terms of the cause that I sort of represent and all the

multiple lawsuits that are levied against all the animal activists that I'm amongst.

Well let's explain to everybody who is unfamiliar. You had a lawsuit with Marine World,

you used to work for Marine World, Marine excuse me which is like sea world for Canada

Something like that a type of thing a type of sea world right see world. Sea world's a day at the spa for animals compared to marine land but yeah really oh yeah it's that much worse significantly worse

Who who so um you worked for them

You were released from your job, fired as it were?

I quit voluntarily.

I quit amidst a-

Do they say you're fired?

No, no.

No, everybody admits you quit. I never gave him the opportunity to fire me. I made the first move. They were going to fire you. I think that that's the inclination I had at the time. But you were a trainer and you I think you opened up a lot of people's eyes to it this is this is

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