You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free.

If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts.

So it's all acting like safe haven.

I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their

currency, Bitcoin wins.

In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.

I mean, that's part of the bold case for Bitcoin.

If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

Max, it's great to be here with you.

Yeah, thanks for having me.

Thanks for coming.

We've got the new big key in my hand.

Awesome.

We just set it up.

And I think a lot of people are going to be extremely happy with what you guys put together.

I think based off our conversation, our ongoing conversations over the last year, I think we should

start from the beginning, the hard, really hone in on the hard problems of self-custody

and how you guys have approached that design problem as it pertains to Bitcoin self-custody,

because not your keys, not your coins, obviously it's been a mean for well over a decade at this point, but for many people,

the sort of jumping over the hurdle of taking their coins off in exchange onto a hardware

wallet, it's a no-go for them.

There's too many sort of hurdles, seed phrases, having the hardware while

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