74 - Detransition - Part 1: Going Back & Moving Forward
Gender: A Wider Lens
Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley
4.6 • 961 Ratings
🗓️ 17 June 2022
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
In today’s episode, Stella and I begin our discussion of detransition. This is an incredibly rich, important, and complex topic, and we certainly don’t think we can lift up EVERY aspect of it. But in this episode, and episode 76 (the one after next), we’ll begin to explore detransition. Today, you’ll hear our initial observations and some random musings. We touch on some of the patterns and dynamics we’ve observed and how things have evolved in the world of detransition over the last several years. We highlight the vast differences between people’s experiences of detransition and how sometimes, the pathway into a trans identity may impact the pathway out.
In episode 76, we’ll start diving into the literature and research we now have about detransition. We’ll look at a few important papers, surveys, and studies and what they can tell us about this growing population.
Links:
Detrans Voices:
https://www.detransvoices.org/
Post Trans:
Detrans Canada:
Detransition Sweden:
Detransition Russia:
GCCAN
Detrans Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/
Life Detransitions
https://lifedetransitions.com/
Genspect (Beyond Transition Initiatives):
Beyond Transition:
Blood and Visions:
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/30792924-blood-and-visions
Autobiography in Five Chapters:
https://www.habitsforwellbeing.com/poem-autobiography-in-five-chapters/
Extended Notes
- Stella and Sasha are exploring topics around detransitioning. If you have topic suggestions and even recommended guests, please reach out!
- Detransitioning is a complex world. There isn’t a simple phenomenon. Stella is working on a program called “Beyond Transition.”
- Everyone in the trans world is aware there are detransitioners, but they’re wildly misunderstood.
- Sasha talks about her personal experience with detransitioners.
- Stella understands in the past that it was very difficult to celebrate with someone who has detransitioned. This new cohort she’s working with is being celebrated.
- If you feel masculine and/or feminine, you suddenly have to dress for this personality.
- Sasha has noticed more people becoming more vain. Is this due to social media?
- What kind of person “suddenly” transitions? Why does someone put so much emphasis on looking female (make-up, hair, etc) only to completely switch? After being in the...
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to gender, a wider lens. |
| 0:04.0 | I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland. |
| 0:06.5 | And I'm Sasha Ayad, an adolescent therapist in the United States. |
| 0:10.6 | Since 2016, my practice has been exclusively dedicated to gender questioning teens |
| 0:16.1 | and families impacted by gender dysphoria. |
| 0:19.0 | I also work with gender questioning teenagers and I facilitated support meetings for families and |
| 0:24.2 | individuals who have been impacted by gender issues. We're curious about the |
| 0:28.0 | concept of gender and how it's unfolding in the wider culture. Join us as we look at gender through a wider lens. |
| 0:35.0 | In today's episode, Stella and I begin our discussion of detransition. |
| 0:42.0 | This is an incredibly rich, important, and complicated topic, and |
| 0:46.3 | we don't think we can lift up every aspect of it. But in this episode and episode 76, which is the one after next, we'll begin to explore |
| 0:55.8 | detransition. |
| 0:56.8 | Today you'll hear some of our initial observations and some random musings. |
| 1:02.1 | We touch on some of the patterns and dynamics we've observed |
| 1:05.4 | and how things have evolved in the world of detransition over the last several years. |
| 1:10.2 | We highlight the vast differences between people's experiences of |
| 1:13.8 | detransition and how sometimes someone's pathway into a trans identity may impact |
| 1:19.3 | their pathway out. In episode 76 we'll start diving into the literature and research that we now have about |
| 1:26.5 | detransition. We'll look at a few important papers, surveys and studies, and what they can |
| 1:31.9 | tell us about this growing population. |
| 1:34.4 | We recommend that you look at some of the organizations that were started and run by detransitioners, |
| 1:39.7 | like detrans voices, post-trans, detrans Canada, detrans Sweden. D. Trans.T. Trans. D.T.S. Canada. |
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