Hey, everybody. We got a great one today. That's because our guest, Adam Surwer,

is a writer for the Atlantic Monthly for a change. Oh, wait, we've had a number of

Atlantic Monthly writers, George Packer, Franklin IV, Isaac Dovere.

But unlike Packer and Feuer and DeVir, Surwer, he knows what the hell he's talking about.

I know this.

I know this because I read his latest book, The Cruelty is the Point.

It's a collection of essays from the Atlantic with the theme that, well, the cruelty is the point. It's a collection of essays from the Atlantic with the theme that, well,

the cruelty was the point of the Trump administration, whether it was separating little children

from their parents at the border and not actually keeping track of them. The Muslim band, making fun of a disabled journalist, telling his crowds that he'd pay legal

fees of anyone who beat up a protester at one of his rallies, you know, on and on and on.

Trump's a cruel man.

But for him, that's a feature, not a flaw.

So now let's go to Adam Server.

This guy's really smart.

Adam Server, and I think you'll get a lot out of this one, you know, for a change.

The book is The Cruelty is the Point, which is so right, so right. I've read this, it's terrific, and you're ahead of the curve, which is so right.

So right.

I've read this, it's terrific.

And you're ahead of the curve.

You write for Atlantic monthly.

And this is a collection of your essays, which

were remarkably prescient in understanding

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