I'm not pulling on my driveway.

We all know what that means.

It's another drive-to-work coronavirus edition.

Okay, so last time I interviewed Michael Ryan, my co-creator of the Weatherlight Saga,

and we had so much to say we couldn't get it all in one podcast.

So I've had, I invited Michael back.

Hey, Michael.

Hey, good morning to you. I love this drive

through your kitchen. Yes, actually. This is a little bit exciting. Can we pull up with a drive-thru

up there in the game room? That'd be cool. Thank you. Okay, so last time we talked about a lot of

the characters. We talked about most of the main crew. There's more characters we'll get to today, but before we get to the characters, I want to talk a little bit about the making

of the story. So, last time we talked about how we were using Joseph Campbell and his, what was it,

the epic hero, the journey of the epic, journey of the epic hero, right?

And the power of myth.

I mean, his book is called the power of myth, but the specific story we were doing, I think, is

Journey of the Epic Hero.

I think that's the...

Journey of the Epic Hero, right.

So, let's talk a little bit about making of the story.

So, okay, so one of our goals of pitching this idea was of not just telling a singular small story,

but something that was going to span over a lot of time.

And we pitched three years.

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