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73: The Decline of Democracy: Autocracy and Oligarchy on the Rise. Gaius and Germanicus discuss Michael McFaul's hypothesis that democracy is in recession and autocracy is ascendant. Germanicus concurs, blaming "Blue" (Democrats) for pursuing steps that stri

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🗓️ 10 November 2025

⏱️ 12 minutes

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The Decline of Democracy: Autocracy and Oligarchy on the Rise. Gaius and Germanicus discuss Michael McFaul's hypothesis that democracy is in recession and autocracy is ascendant. Germanicus concurs, blaming "Blue" (Democrats) for pursuing steps that strip the nation of its Republican character, including efforts to control media and censor, which he terms "creeping authoritarianism." He cites examples like a two-tier justice system and the pursuit of "thought crimes" (e.g., silent praying outside an abortion clinic) in the US and UK. Germanicus believes the US is heading toward a "brutal oligarchy" controlled by a ruling class, rather than a classic autocracy. Gaius asks if autocratic models, such as Chinese capitalism, are appealing to allies. Germanicus confirms that certain nations (like the expanding BRICS) view China and Russia as providing a better model for societal progress, especially given the US's poor global reputation since 2001. Furthermore, neoliberalism benefits only the very wealthy, creating devastating wealth inequality akin to the ancien régime before the French Revolution. Projecting 100 years ahead, Germanicus believes the US will likely be an "oligarchic autocracy" and an empire competing as a trans-Pacific/transatlantic block against a Eurasian block. They agree that modern technology, capable of tracking thoughts and speech, is an "enormously powerful instrument" supporting this autocratic trend. Germanicus notes that moralizing about dictators and "saving democracy" will persist, but merely as a means to keep the population passive and quiet, labeling modern censorship as highly Orwellian. They conclude they are living through a transformation from kingship to democracy, now moving toward autocracy.
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We like Seneca. Lundinium like Seneca. It's a play about revenge. Not entirely about revenge, entirely about revenge on Nero, but that's okay. We enjoy it. It was the end of the Julian Claudian reign, the introduction of the Flavian. We're living with the

0:23.0

sad end of the Flavian and try not to think about it. Instead, we think about the autocracy that

0:32.1

we're living in, otherwise known as the Emperor's Empire, the one that Augustus built.

0:38.3

Conversation with a distinguished ambassador and policymaker for the Obama administration,

0:47.3

Michael McFaulb, Professor Stanford.

0:49.5

He has a new book out called Autocracy versus Democracy.

0:53.2

And in it, he and his colleagues at the Freeman Spogley

0:56.5

Institute, hypothesis, Germanicus, that democracy is in a recession and that autocracy is now in

1:06.2

full flower and being chosen as someone you must deal with and even are attracted to if you're

1:14.1

the leader of a smaller state. How do you see it? Is democracy in recession? Is autocracy on the rise?

1:23.9

Democracy is in recession and it's in recession because of people like michael mcfall um what blue

1:30.8

did during the biden administration was set up a a false narrative of misdirection so they pursued a course

1:40.8

of many steps each of which was stripping the nation of its Republican character,

1:53.5

and doing so directly by attacking, trying to attack the Second Amendment unsuccessfully, but going directly after the First

2:03.2

Amendment. And it, the, the effort to control media and censor is part of a creeping

2:12.9

authoritarianism by, on the part of government.

2:17.9

And you see that in full flower in the United Kingdom today.

2:23.0

And you have a two-tier justice system, you know, two-tier cure.

2:28.7

You have not just censorship, but you have essentially thought crimes being pursued as, for an example, a person silently praying outside an abortion clinic is grounds for arrest and imprisonment.

2:51.6

I find this shift important, and it's a shift that is occurring across the European Union,

3:02.4

but also in the United States.

3:04.4

And Blue is directly focused on a course that would not lead to

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