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Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

73 | Grimes (c) on Music, Creativity, and Digital Personae

Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

Sean Carroll | Wondery

Society & Culture, Physics, Philosophy, Science, Ideas, Society

4.84.4K Ratings

🗓️ 18 November 2019

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

Changing technologies have always affected how we produce and enjoy art, and music might be the most obvious example. Radio and recordings made it easy for professional music to be widely disseminated, but created a barrier to its creation. Nowadays computers are helping to reverse that trend, allowing casual users to create slick songs of their own. Not everyone is equally good at it, however; Grimes (who currently goes by c, the symbol for the speed of light) is a wildly successful electronic artist who writes, produces, performs, and sings her own songs. We dig into how music is made in the modern world, but also go well beyond that, into artificial intelligence and the nature of digital/virtual/online personae. We talk about the birth of a new digital avatar -- who might be called "War Nymph"? -- and how to navigate the boundaries of art, technology, fashion, and culture. Her new album Miss Anthropocene will be released in February 2020.

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Grimes, or c, studied neuroscience at McGill University before turning full-time to music. Her previous albums include Geidi PrimesHalfaxaVisions, and Art Angels. Her latest album, Miss Anthropocene, channels the goddess of climate change. On December 5th in Miami, she will be orchestrating the one-night-only rave Bio-Haque.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello everyone and welcome to the Mindscape Podcast.

0:04.2

I'm your host, Sean Carroll.

0:06.0

And today we want to talk about art and reality and how art and reality are both mediated

0:12.3

through technology.

0:14.0

Our guest is Grimes, the musician slash producer who is now I think known as C. She's changed

0:21.0

her name to C, the letter C after the speed of light, which tickles my physicist instincts.

0:26.4

But I went by Grimes for purposes of this podcast because I think that that's the artist

0:30.3

title on the most recent album that she's come out with.

0:33.5

I think the best way to describe Grimes's work is as someone who produces music, both

0:39.2

literally as the producer of her own albums, but she writes the music, she records the music,

0:45.8

she writes the lyrics and she sings in addition to doing all of that production.

0:50.2

So she says she wants to go down in history not as a singer or dancer, but as a music producer.

0:55.3

And so we're going to learn a little bit about the technique of that.

0:58.1

I think this is a situation where technology has given to a wide number of people the ability

1:05.2

to make their own music.

1:06.9

Grimes started just by firing up Garageband on her Mac and going from there.

1:11.7

Her two most recent albums are Visions and Art Angels, which were both very popular,

1:16.7

one a number of awards and things like that.

1:19.0

And just now she's come out with a brand new album, Miss and Thropocene.

1:23.1

We'll explain, excavate the origin of that particular name here in the podcast and a

1:28.8

new single, so heavy I fell through the earth.

1:31.8

And I have to say, you know, I like it.

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