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This is Freakonomics Radio on Marketplace.

Here's the host of Marketplace, Kyra's Doll.

Time now for a little bit of Freakonomics Radio that moment

every couple of weeks where we talk to Stephen Dumbner,

the co-author of the books and the blogs of the same name.

It is the hidden side of everything. Dumbner, as always, it's good to talk to you.

Great to be here, Ky.

You know, it seems like you talk about your mom on the show quite a bit.

Am I right?

I don't know, maybe.

And it sounds from what I hear that you two have a fairly loving relationship.

I'm also right on that.

Number one, she's listening, so watch yourself.

And number two, yeah, you know, we get along. Me and mom.

I'm just thinking with Mother's Day coming up, you know, two Sundays from now.

I'm guessing you're thinking about maybe sending your mom some flowers, yeah?

Okay, two things. One is that it's all I can do to remember to get my wife flowers on Mother's Day

to let her own my own mother. And two, the dirty secret, which I will deny if you repeat it,

my wife actually does the flowers for my mother.

Ah, but mom does get some stuff.

But she gets some stuff. Yeah, she gets them.

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