Like, one of the things I love about science is I'm innately curious. I'm always looking into rocks. I guest today is Stephen Martin. He's an astronomer,

educator, and author who has taught astronomy, physics, and consciousness studies at colleges,

universities, and learning centers across the U.S. for over 30 years. He is currently

director of the Deep Time Leadership Program

at the Deep Time Network, where he helps develop and facilitate transformative and innovative

leadership programs that support a flourishing future that works for all. Steve is active in

leading workshops, lectures, and experiences that bring insights and wisdom from the cosmos down to Earth and everyday life.

His first book, Cosmic Conversations, is a multidisciplinary approach to exploring the universe through the lenses of science, spirituality, and culture.

And his second book, Living a Cosmic Life,

helps people navigate crises and change from a cosmic evolutionary perspective.

You have a new book, Steve. What's the name of that one?

New book is called Becoming the Change. It's on evolutionary rituals with my co-author, Carol Kilby.

Okay, good. And I listened to that one. I listened to half of cosmic conversations, which I really enjoyed. I mean, it's interviews, many of which, many with people I've interviewed,

and many not. I thought you did a great job, and they all had fascinating things to say.

Personally, I've always been fascinated with astronomy in a very amateur way. I mean, one

of my early spiritual experiences really was lying in the grass at night, looking at the stars

and just kind of expanding. And I'm sure many people listening have had that kind of experience.

And my parents used to take me to the Hayden Planetarium in New York City sometimes on my birthday.

And I have like a thousand screensabers on my computer that rotate of web and Hubble space telescope pictures and it just kind of keeps things

in perspective. Yeah. And how about you, Steve? I mean, how did you first get intrigued with this

field? You know, there's something about the night sky for me. And I think when I was about

eight years old, growing up in the

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