But if we're talking about awakening through the shocker system, a lot of people believe that they awaken everything in the first shocker, then they move on to the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth, the sixth, the seventh, and that isn't what happens at all.

Welcome to Buddha at the gas pump. My name is Rick Archer.

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Okay, my guest today is Mary Mueller-Shutan.

She's a spiritual teacher, a healer, and an author.

And she's written at least six or seven books, The Spiritual Awak guide, managing psychic abilities, shadow work for the soul, the body dava, working with kundalini, the shamanic

workbook series, and the complete chord course. I have read like two-thirds of her shadow work book and one-third of her kundalini book, and I wish I had more time because I felt I was learning a lot of things that I hadn't really thought about or known before.

And I really intend to finish at least the k Kundalini book after this interview is done.

Okay, so Mary combines her extensive education with her personal meditative practices and direct revelation of the spirit world.

She's been serving her community as a spiritual healer and teacher since 2004.

And the titles of her books more or less give you an idea of her spiritual interests,

but she is also trained as a number of things, a body worker, Chinese medicine practitioner, cranial sacral therapist,

energy work, shamanic worker. And Mary says that much of her work is as a representative of

the dark feminine shadow work, spiritual awakening through the body, emotions, etc. So I think we have a lot

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