#727: Orange Pilling The Deep State with David Zell
TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast
Marty Bent
4.8 • 804 Ratings
🗓️ 16 March 2026
⏱️ 114 minutes
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Marty sits down with David Zell, Executive Director of the Bitcoin Policy Institute, to discuss the Coinbase de minimis lobbying controversy, the battle to make Bitcoin tax reform a legislative priority, and why engaging the national security community may be Bitcoin's most durable long-term protection.
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| 0:00.0 | You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free. |
| 0:10.0 | If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts. |
| 0:16.0 | So it's all acting like safe haven. |
| 0:18.0 | I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency, |
| 0:24.4 | Bitcoin wins. |
| 0:25.3 | In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor. |
| 0:29.2 | I mean, that's part of the bold case for Bitcoin. |
| 0:31.9 | If you're not paying attention, you probably should be. |
| 0:36.2 | What a week in Austin, Texas, gentlemen. |
| 0:39.2 | Oh, what a week. |
| 0:42.3 | Did we do something here? |
| 0:43.4 | What do we do with this coin-based minimum tax exemption? |
| 0:46.2 | I think it's a big thing that we made some noise this week about it. |
| 0:52.4 | I think your tweet did a lot of really good stuff. |
| 0:57.2 | You know, and I'm really just honored to be here with the Alex Jones of Bitcoin. |
| 1:02.1 | Although if I had my way, it'd be the real Alex Jones, but I'll settle for the JV. |
| 1:06.5 | Hey, we're going to get Alex here. |
| 1:09.2 | Yeah, no, I think it was important for the |
| 1:12.4 | the broader Bitcoin community and bitcoiners generally particularly in America to to know that |
| 1:20.1 | this stuff's happening behind the scenes and I wasn't so I had a one source reach out last week |
| 1:25.8 | and was like okay this is interesting can't really confirm it and then I had one source reach out last week and I was like, okay, this is interesting. |
| 1:29.5 | Can't really confirm it. |
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