All right. Hello, how you doing? This is Brad Listy. This is the Other People podcast. It's good to be with you. Thank you for listening. I'm here in Los Angeles, California. And I have on the program today, Tao Lin. This is my fourth conversation with Tao Lin over the past decade.

Tao Lin has a new novel out on vintage.

It is called Leaves Society.

His other books include Tripp, a nonfiction book about psychedelics published in 2018.

The novel Taipei, published in 2013, selected tweets,

which was published in 2015, and features selected tweets by Taolin and Mirr Gonzalez,

as well as other books, the novel Richard Yates, the novella shoplifting from American Apparel, and so on.

Leave society is another singular work by Tau Lin.

What I always feel when I read his books is that there's nobody else on earth who could have possibly written them.

And I guess you could say that for anybody who writes a book, but with Tao, it feels especially applicable. He's so unique. He's

such a unique thinker and a brilliant writer. And I'm very pleased to get to share the conversation

with him in just a moment. Today's episode is brought to you by Farrar Strauss and Giroux,

publisher of the novel Embassy Wife by best-selling author Katie Crouch.

Chris Abani calls Embassy Wife, quote,

An honest and complicated novel of true human beings

struggling to be more than they are with less than they should have.

And Natalie Bezile says that embassy wife is, quote, keenly observed and expertly crafted,

a wickedly irresistible novel.

I agree.

I read this novel over my summer vacation.

And it's one of those books that is equal parts, intelligent and entertaining,

and funny. It's everything you want from a storyteller. Embassy wife is set in the world of the

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