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Mormon Stories Podcast

714: Trevor Haugen meets with Elder Don R. Clarke and Matthew J. Grow Pt. 4

Mormon Stories Podcast

Dr. John Dehlin

Religion & Spirituality

4.55.7K Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2017

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

In this four-part episode, Trevor Haugen shares and analyzes his experience meeting with LDS General Authority Don R. Clarkeand LDS church historian Dr. Matthew J. Grow as they attempt to address his mounting concerns with deeply troubling Mormon history and doctrine.

Part 1: Trevor discusses his life as an orthodox Mormon believer, including his mission service and temple marriages.

Parts 2, 3 & 4: Trevor and Dr. John Dehlin discusses the meeting, and particularly analyze the apologetics offered by Elder Clarke and Dr. Matthew Grow.

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Okay, the final point that you included in your letter was about polygamy and

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polyandry. Why don't you go ahead and talk to us about what points you were

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making there? Well, Joseph Smith had at least 34 wives, but what really, you know,

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and I always thought that Joseph Smith may have practiced polygamy. I mean, I

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knew it was it was a big thing with Brigham Young and you know, and a few

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prophets after that, but I didn't know how big it was with Joseph Smith. And so

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as I started looking into it and realizing that he had that many polygamous

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wives and and then seeing him constantly covering it up and lying about it, it

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wasn't something that he was owning, you know, and and and so that that was a

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red flag for me, but probably the biggest thing was when I learned about

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polyandry. I had never even heard of that word before. I'd never heard it

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spoken in in church. And I actually had to look up the definition, but what it

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is is a man that marries another man's wife. And so Joseph Smith had 11, I

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believe, polyandrous marriages as well. And several of those were too

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