710: Iran, Immigration, & the Trouble with Certainty with Carrie McKean
The Holy Post
Phil Vischer
4.5 • 4.4K Ratings
🗓️ 4 March 2026
⏱️ 86 minutes
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Summary
The U.S. launched a military strike on Iran and President Trump is framing it in moral terms. Phil, Kaitlyn, and Katelyn Beaty discuss the administration's shifting justifications for war, and why Christians should be cautious of language that makes it easier to dehumanize enemies. Then, they turn to the mass shooting in Austin and the predictable scramble to turn tragedy into political leverage. Kaitlyn interviews Carrie McKean about why distrust in public health and debates over immigration are often more complicated than our partisan categories allow. Also this week, don't take selfies with snow leopards.
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0:00 - Show Starts
3:20 - Theme Song
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5:55 - Snow Leopards
10:50 - War with Iran
17:36 - Shooting in Texas
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53:10 - Interview
54:25 - Accidentally Writing for New York Times
59:56 - Anti-Vax and Eroding Trust
1:07:40 - Coming Here Legally… Not Simple
1:12:40 - A Trump Supporter Caring for Immigrants
1:25:20 - End Credits
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| 0:00.0 | The U.S. launched a military strike on Iran, and President Trump is framing it in moral terms. |
| 0:05.9 | Phil, Caitlin, and Caitlin Beatty discussed the administration's shifting justifications for war |
| 0:10.7 | and why Christians should be cautious of language that makes it easier to dehumanize our enemies. |
| 0:15.7 | Then they turn to the mass shooting in Austin and the predictable scramble again to turn tragedy into political |
| 0:21.9 | leverage. Then Caitlin interviews journalist Carrie McCain about why distrust in public health |
| 0:27.0 | and debates over immigration are often far more complicated than our partisan categories allow. |
| 0:33.8 | Also this week, don't take selfies with snow leopards. Well, sky's out of town this week, but if he were here, he would want you to know that you only have two more days to take advantage of a one week free trial of Holy Post Plus. |
| 0:46.1 | This week, we have a bonus interview with Carrie McCain, where she talks about how returning to West Texas and living through the COVID-19 pandemic exposed the the limits of her own stereotypes, and challenged her to hold her opinions more loosely. |
| 0:58.7 | It's a great interview. |
| 1:00.0 | You're going to want to check it out, along with all the other fantastic content we have on |
| 1:03.6 | Holy Post Plus. |
| 1:04.7 | Go to holypost.com slash plus to take advantage of the one week free trial. |
| 1:09.2 | Okay, here is episode 710. Hey there, welcome back to the |
| 1:13.1 | Holy Post podcast. I'm Phil Fisher. I am here with no sky. No sky today. We got no sky to tie me down, |
| 1:20.8 | but we do have not one, but two Kalins. Two Kalins. Two Kalins. What a world. When you trade out, you lose the sky and you gain a double |
| 1:30.8 | dose of Caitlin. Wow. I would love if this was all prepping for just me talking twice as much, |
| 1:36.5 | because so far it seems like double Caitlin just means, I'll just switch between these two seats back |
| 1:41.0 | and forth. I'll impersonate sky. Yeah. Wow, that would be interesting. |
| 1:45.3 | That would be wild. |
| 1:46.0 | That would be wild. It would be sunshine and then sadness. We're here with Caitlin Chess. You know Caitlin Chess. And you probably know her. She hasn't been here in a while, but she's been on the show quite a few times over the years. Caitlin Beatty. Hi, Caitlin. Hi, Phil and other Caitlin. |
| 2:01.5 | Good to see you, always. |
| 2:03.3 | Good to see you. |
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