Hello and welcome to Kump, the first episode of Kump in the age of the Afghan war being ended or it's planned to.

I know you're a big fan of the Afghan war, Lucy.

It's sad to see it come to an end.

I think it'll...

I think we accomplished a lot.

It'll go on in our hearts.

I don't think anyone can question the victory that we've accomplished there.

I don't look.

I mean, didn't that the kite runner girl or is that girl who got burned? Who is that, Malala? Malala. Malala. And you keep mixing up what happened to her. She didn't get burned. She got shot in the head. Well, I'm sorry. It's been a long war. It's been a long war and I can't remember every girl who got shot.

I'm sure there's a lot of girls who got shot by the Taliban.

And us.

You know, do you, do people are saying it's a failure?

I don't know.

I feel like we made our presence known in the Middle East.

We said, hey, now you go to think twice about knocking over towers if you work for the CIA.

Or, you know, or vuro-Kida.

I don't know.

That could have, it could have happened just the way they told us.

And it did send a message of a 21 year long message.

And I think, look, sometimes you got a, you don't rush through everything.

Sometimes it's about the music of language.

We basically said to them, hey, suck on this. And if you're in the Taliban, maybe you could have some things to suck on. Hey, look, if you fucking, if you fucking drop these towers, here's what's going to happen. We're going to come over there. We're going to live there for 20 years. And we're going to go through some cycles. Sometimes you're going to be on top and sometimes we're going to, you're going to fucking escape into Torah Bora. You're going to, I mean, I don't know. I think it's, uh, we're going to have a huge Afghanistan shaped hole in our hearts. Um, there are kids who grew up who are 20 now, who've never known a world where we didn't have a war in

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