Hey, everybody. How are you? Welcome to The Other People Show. My name's Brad Listy. It's nice to be with you. I'm here in Los Angeles. And I have Andrea Bayani on the program today. He is an Italian writer. His new novel is called If You Kept a Record of Sins, it is available in translation from archipelago books.

It was translated from the Italian by Elizabeth Harris.

It's a wonderful book.

It's a wonderful novel.

And it's a wonderful translation.

So great to meet Andrea and to learn more about his book, its origin stories, why he wrote it, how he wrote it, and so on and so forth.

That conversation is coming up.

I do, before we get started, want to say just a few brief words about the historical moment that we're in.

As I record this on April 20th, 2021,

we're just a couple of hours removed from the announcement of the verdict in the George Floyd trial.

Derek Chauvin, the police officer who murdered George Floyd in cold blood on camera has been convicted on all counts,

cuffed and taken to jail.

So it's a moment for like enormous relief.

Some celebration that justice has been done in this instance.

There's been accountability. I know everybody's parsing the way that you're supposed to talk about this, but hopefully you know what I mean.

And, you know, there are a million things to talk about.

But what keeps coming to mind for me is this young girl, Darnela Frazier,

the 17-year-old girl who filmed the murder with her smartphone.

You know, and without this footage, we likely would not be here today with guilty verdicts on all three counts.

I think about being 17 years old and having the courage to stand there at close range with a hostile police officer filming and to have the courage to simply bear witness to something so hardcore.

This young girl.

And I'm sure it traumatized her.

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