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After an emotional and historical day, watching the nation and even the world come together to amplify the message that Black Lives Matter in response to George Floyd's death.

I reached out to my friend Jennifer Borgie on Blackout Tuesday, and she graciously agreed

to come back on the podcast and discuss anti-racism with me.

She also has an incredibly unique perspective as a black woman in an interracial marriage,

married to a white police officer, so we talked about

her experiences and suggestions on uniting instead of dividing people during this time.

She explains why the phrase all lives matter isn't helpful and what is helpful and productive

in supporting this message, and how to stand up and say something tactfully to someone

when they make a racist comment, and what to do if you've messed up in the past and want to make

it right. I'm so thankful to Jennifer for sharing her voice today and for the positive influence

she is in my life and so many others.

Hi, everybody. I am here today with my dear friend Jennifer Borgie, who you guys have

heard it from before. It was a couple months ago we did an amazing interview. And it was a little more

lighthearted than probably what today will be just because of our recent current events. But I reached out to Jennifer because

I respect her opinion so much. I feel like she's such a powerful, positive thought leader

in the space of Black Lives Matter and just an advocate for the black community. But also,

she has such an interesting perspective to being married to someone

in law enforcement. So I'm really so grateful that she's taking the time today. It's actually

Blackout Tuesday today. So she and I both have, I mean, everyone, I feel like in the nation

has had an emotional day. So, but especially her. So I just super appreciate her taking the time.

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