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Hi, it's Elise Loonen, host of Pulling the Thread.

My guest today is Courtney Smith, and we're getting into the process behind the new workbook

we wrote together, which is called Choosing Wholeness Over Goodness.

Thank you. over goodness. Hi, it's Elise Loonan, host of pulling the thread.

On this show, we pull apart the web in which we all live to understand who we are and why we're here. My hope is that

these conversations spark moments of resonance and plant tiny seeds of awareness so that we might all

collectively learn and grow. Here is today's guest, Courtney Smith, on one of the tools that

forms the core process in our new workbook,

Choosing Wholeness Over Goodness.

And so the persona work in tool seven is about in a playful way naming the parts of yourself

or the roles that you take on in your daily lives because of these stories, naming them, seeing them, getting clear about what they want,

what they do for us, what they cost us, but providing an opportunity for you to, again,

become conscious about, once I see that this is not all of me, but I see it's just a role,

do I want to put on this costume right now?

Do I want to be the good girl? Do I want to be the good mom? Do I want to be the one who doesn't

speak up for herself when she's asking for a raise? Or actually do I want to do something else?

Courtney has been on pulling the thread a few times.

I'll link all of our episodes and everything else in the show notes.

But for those of you who haven't heard from Courtney yet,

she's an incredible coach, group facilitator, and enneagram expert.

She works with people to help them achieve the change they want in their lives,

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