5 • 715 Ratings
🗓️ 13 June 2025
⏱️ 11 minutes
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Sometimes, marketing advice gets a little wild, and that’s what makes this episode a must-listen. Jay Schwedelson is on a mission to shake you out of boring subject lines with A/B tests that are completely opposite. Think “you don’t need this email” vs. “you absolutely need this email,” or "letting your inner guilt trip loose." You’ll pick up plenty of unexpected ideas (and maybe rethink what “we need to talk” really means), plus get a peek into Jay’s annual guys trip and his quest for the world’s most embarrassing gag gifts.
Best Moments:
(01:32) Reverse psychology wins with “you don’t need this email” pulling a 17 percent higher open rate
(02:20) Humanity trumps robots when “a human with three cups of coffee wrote this” beats out AI
(03:34) “Boom. Offer inside” vs. “Psst. Over here”—and the quiet approach steals the show
(04:15) “We need to talk” outperforms “you left us no choice” by 19 percent
(05:02) Passive-aggressive guilt pays off when “still ignoring us?” gets a 21 percent lift
(06:01) “Not mad. Just disappointed” nails the parent-text vibe with a 12 percent higher open rate
(06:32) “Fine. I’ll open it” (the inner monologue test) crushes with a 26 percent boost
(08:45) Jay’s pool party humiliation story and the legend of the “I pee in pools” shirt
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0:00.0 | What up? Welcome to Do This Not That, the podcast for marketers. I'm Jay Schwettleson. Let's dig into some tips and some randomness. |
0:12.4 | We are back for Do This, Not That podcast presented by Marigold. And today I wanted to rip through completely ridiculous A-B tests that you could be doing |
0:22.0 | in the subject line, stuff that you probably have never tried. |
0:25.7 | And in my organization, my agency, we're always testing different tactics because so often |
0:30.9 | marketers are focused on what's inside the email. |
0:34.2 | What's the email say? |
0:35.5 | Did it get approved? |
0:36.5 | Are the images nice? Who cares? And if we don't |
0:39.3 | get the email open, then what is the difference what's inside the email? So what can you be doing in the |
0:43.8 | subject line that will allow your emails to stand out and not everybody else's? So these are a series of |
0:49.4 | tests that we've been running recently that I call opposite tests. And basically, we take a concept and we run |
0:56.0 | an A-B test and we make sure the subject lines are the exact opposite of each other to see which |
1:01.6 | one's going to work. And we got some really cool results here for each one of these. I know this is a |
1:06.0 | horrible episode because you're outside walking, you're driving, you're doing. You can't capture all this information, but maybe you'll go back to it or maybe you'll just |
1:13.6 | ignore this and tell me I'm a doofus. It's okay. All right. |
1:16.6 | So let me go through these different tests of what worked and what didn't work. |
1:19.6 | So this is kind of cool. |
1:20.6 | The first one, and these are all A, B, subject line tests. |
1:24.6 | You take your email database, you chop it in half, you do a subject line A, |
1:28.2 | subject line B, you keep everything else the same. The first one is the reverse psychology test. |
1:34.3 | So one subject line says, you don't need this email. The other subject line says you absolutely |
1:40.5 | need this email. That's it. That's all the subject lines say. Which one do you think |
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