Welcome to Jen Rubin's Green Room. This is Jen Rubin.

Last week I had a wonderful conversation with my dear friend, Dahlia Lithwick, and one of the things we talked about, of course, was the Dobbs decision, which overturned

50 years of president, made a whole bunch of terrifying assumptions about women and about their access to medical care.

And it got me thinking that we should really have an entire show

devoted to that subject. And I thought there was no one better to talk to than Elise Hoag.

Elise has been a progressive activist for decades. I got to know her when she was head of

NARAL. And I interviewed her for my book.

She was incredibly generous with her time then, and some of the most interesting conversations

I had were about how she and her organization prepared for the inevitable, prepared for a Supreme Court that was going to strike down row at some point, the warnings that she has given four decades now about where the court was heading, and really dealing with the aftermath of this decision that leaves women endangered without control over

their own lives, their own reproduction. And these are important topics, scary topics,

but there's no one better than Elise to talk us through that. So welcome to the show, Elise. So good to be here,

Jennifer. It is. I first met Elise, as I mentioned, when I was working on my book. And I had to get all of the

nitty-gritty details of the court fights, the abortion decisions, the first abortion bans, which we saw before,

there were six members on the Supreme Court to actually make that.

I hate to use the word constitutional, but temporarily constitutional.

And Elise and I would have these conversations that went something like this.

You know, Jennifer, I've been telling

these people for decades that Roe is not secure, that the far right has a game plan, and I am just

called nuts. I'm called a hysteric. I'm called, you know, completely off my rocker. Well, at least you

are not off your rocker. And unfortunately,

the horror has come to pass. So let's roll the clock back a bit, you know, to the dark ages

when women had civil liberties and were continued to be first-class citizens.

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