I'm John Dots with Gov.

Shilling, a wonderful storyteller about the search for something we're not going to find.

But the search is the joy.

100 years from now, 200 years from now, they'll know a much more about where we were right

and where we were wrong.

Gov.

Is giving you the best right now that exists in the universe about the search for, the universe

that we're searching for.

When we come now to the cosmic microwave background and what that tells us about dark

matter and about dark energy and how we need it, the cosmic microwave background as everybody

knows is something that was found in the late 20th century by looking at the sky and

saying what is this buzz like radio fuzz in the backgrounds.

That's left over from the very beginning.

That tells us that the universe was, well, the way I think of it is the universe was

flat when it started.

Is that right?

Gov.

It wasn't, it didn't have dimensions.

It was flat.

Yeah, it was, it was in a sense, flat in a sense that it was very smooth, no large-scale

curvature by, by, of face.

So the main thing of this cosmic microwave background is that it's the, the last, well,

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