7.2 You Don’t Have to Perfect to be Worthy with Katherine Morgan Schafler

Saturn Returns with Caggie

Caggie Dunlop

Education, Mental Health, Health & Fitness, Religion & Spirituality, Self-improvement

4.8 • 892 Ratings

🗓️ 8 May 2023

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

In this week's episode of Saturn Returns join Caggie in conversation with Katherine Morgan Schafler, a licensed psychotherapist, writer, and speaker based in New York City, who is also the author of the book 'The Perfectionists Guide to Losing Control.' In this insightful discussion, Caggie and Katherine explore the complex nature of perfectionism, a common challenge that many encounter during their Saturn Return as perfectionism is an aspect of the shadow side of Saturn. They discuss the unattainable standards and nagging desire for perfection that can often arise during this transformative time of life but how this ultimately causes us to stall, sabotage and leave things unfinished. Drawing from her clinical expertise, Katherine dispels myths about perfectionism and breaks down the five main types she has identified. She also shares her insights on the links between addiction and perfectionism, based on her experiences as a psychotherapist. Throughout the episode, Caggie and Katherine emphasise the importance of self-worth and returning to one's core values as key elements in finding contentment and a sense of completeness. Tune in to this thought-provoking conversation as they unpack the nuances of perfectionism and offer practical strategies for navigating this common challenge during the Saturn Return phase and beyond. --- Follow or subscribe to "Saturn Returns" for future episodes, where we explore the transformative impact of Saturn's return with inspiring guests and thought-provoking discussions. Follow Caggie Dunlop on Instagram to stay updated on her personal journey and you can find Saturn Returns on Instagram, YouTube and TikTok. Order the Saturn Returns Book. Join our community newsletter here. Find all things Saturn Returns, offerings and more here.

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0:00.0	Hello everyone and welcome to Saturn Returns with me Kaggi Dunlop. This is a
0:07.4	podcast that aims to bring clarity during transitional times where there can be
0:11.3	confusion and doubt.
0:15.0	Today I'm joined on the show by a wonderful woman and that is Catherine Morgan Schaefer.
0:20.0	She is a psychotherapist that is based in New York City and she has released an incredible book called The Perfectionist Guide to Losing Control.
0:30.0	Now if you were like me, you may have perfectionism show up in your life.
0:35.0	In fact after listening to this episode I would say that most people do they just might not be aware of it
0:40.0	particularly as women.
0:42.0	This conversation was one of those ones that not only
0:45.0	makes me recognize how lucky I am to do what I do to be able to connect with people
0:49.8	like Catherine who have so much wisdom, they're so considered, so intelligent, and it was just one of those
0:55.9	conversations that had so much value so I cannot wait to share it with you.
1:00.5	Some of the things that we cover in this episode is how perfectionism shows up in your life,
1:05.0	the different categories of perfectionism and how you can be a perfectionist in one category, in one area, and another in another.
1:12.0	Personally for me, I really resonated with the procrastinator perfectionist and the messy perfectionist,
1:19.2	which we will get into in this episode. Beyond discussing perfectionism, we really tap into the importance
1:26.9	of values, which is something that I've been really looking at at the moment, especially
1:31.5	as we've been doing these courses for Saturn Returns.
1:35.4	It's rare that we actually sit down and consider the things that we value that are paramount
1:40.0	in our life and whether our life is living in accordance with those values.
1:45.2	When you feel that you are off course or you're struggling and this is a very common thing during
1:50.4	your Saturn return, I feel like coming back to your values is so key and
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