697: Cancelling "Judeo-Christian," Defending Slavery, & Rethinking Gaza with J. Ross Wagner
The Holy Post
Phil Vischer
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🗓️ 26 November 2025
⏱️ 83 minutes
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Summary
The term "Judeo-Christian" has been used by the Religious Right for decades as a positive shorthand for biblical values in the culture, so why are conservative Christians now rejecting the label? And why are Christian defenses of slavery and the Confederacy gaining popularity 160 years after the Civil War? Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn explain how the rising influence of Christian nationalism drives both trends. J. Ross Wagner, editor of the new book, "Being Christian After the Desolation of Gaza," talks to Skye about how both American and Palestinian Christians are reexamining evangelical support for Israel. Also this week, a woman has been hiding in the New Testament for nearly 2,000 years, and there's a new horror movie about a teenage Jesus. What could go wrong?
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0:00 - Show Starts
3:29 - Theme Song
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7:10 - Jesus Horror Movie?
13:44 - Hidden Woman in the Bible?
20:20 - Judeo-Christian No More?
31:50 - Slavery Debate Continues
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55:25 - Interview
58:20 - Why Was This Written?
1:03:50 - Pro-Israel and Antisemitism
1:13:31 - Christian Palestinian Response
1:22:00 - End Credits
Links Mentioned in News Segment:
Christianity Today Article on Jesus Horror Movie:
Woman Hidden in the Bible:
The Right Rejecting the Judeo-Christian term: https://religionnews.com/2025/11/18/on-the-right-judeo-christian-values-are-out-and-christian-nationalism-is-in/?utm_source=RNS+Updates&utm_campaign=506d68c8ac-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2025_11_19_01_03&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c5356cb657-506d68c8ac-387424458
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Holy Post. The term Judeo-Christian has been used by the religious right for decades |
| 0:05.4 | as a positive shorthand for biblical values in the culture. So why are conservative Christians now |
| 0:11.2 | rejecting the label? And why are Christian defenses of slavery and the Confederacy gaining popularity |
| 0:17.2 | 160 years after the Civil War? Today, Phil Caitlin and I explain how the rising |
| 0:23.0 | influence of Christian nationalism is driving both trends. Then Jay Ross Wagner, editor of the book |
| 0:29.4 | Being Christian after the Desolation of Gaza, talks to me about how both American and Palestinian |
| 0:34.9 | Christians are reexamining evangelical support for Israel. |
| 0:39.0 | Also this week, a woman has been hiding in the New Testament for nearly 2,000 years, |
| 0:43.6 | and there's a new horror movie about a teenage Jesus. What could possibly go wrong? |
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| 1:56.4 | Holy Post Plus. Okay, here is episode 697. Hey there, welcome to the Holy Post podcast. I'm Phil |
| 2:03.7 | Fisher. I'm here. Caitlin Chess is back. Hi, Caitlin. Hi, Phil. Great to have you back. Thanks. Great to be |
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