696: Transcending Our Political Divisions & Labels with Andy Beshear
The Holy Post
Phil Vischer
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🗓️ 19 November 2025
⏱️ 86 minutes
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Summary
Mike Erre joins Phil and Skye to discuss a New York Times column by David Brooks. He says America's divisions will only heal when we abandon shallow labels and war metaphors, and instead see one another as fellow pilgrims on a journey. America's Catholic bishops issue a stern rebuke of the Trump administration's dehumanizing rhetoric and policies, which makes Phil wonder why evangelical leaders can't do the same. Then, Skye talks to Kentucky's Democratic governor, Andy Beshear, about why he's so popular in a state that Donald Trump won by 30 points, and how his party can begin to narrow the "God gap" with voters. Also this week—an A.I. vacuum cleaner has an existential crisis.
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0:00 - Show Starts
3:32 - Theme Song
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6:20 - AI Roomba Has a Breakdown
16:08- David Brooks on Pilgrimage and Pluralism
45:50 - Catholic Bishops Critical on Immigration Law
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52:21 - Interview
54:48 - What Went Wrong with Democrats?
1:03:42 - Fire with Fire Approach?
1:09:06 - Democrat's Aversion to Religious Language
1:13:30 - Pro-Life Democrats?
1:21:51 - How Will Democrats Change?
1:25:32 - End Credits
Links Mentioned in News Segment:
Roomba Butter Breakdown:
https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/llm-robot-vacuum-existential-crisis
David Brooks Article on Pluralism:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/13/opinion/christian-nationalism.html
Catholic Bishops on Trump's Immigration Policies:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/12/us/bishops-trump-immigration.html
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Holy Post. This week, Mike Erie joins Phil and me to discuss a New York Times column by David Brooks. |
| 0:07.3 | He says America's divisions will only heal when we abandon shallow labels and war metaphors |
| 0:12.9 | and instead see one another as fellow pilgrims on a journey. Then America's Catholic bishops |
| 0:18.5 | have issued a stern rebuke of the Trump administration's dehumanizing |
| 0:21.9 | rhetoric and policies, which makes Phil wonder why evangelical leaders can't do the same. |
| 0:27.8 | Then I talked to Kentucky's Democratic governor, Andy Bashir, about why he's so popular in his state that |
| 0:33.7 | Donald Trump won by over 30 points, and how his party can begin to narrow the |
| 0:38.3 | god gap with voters. Also this week, an AI vacuum cleaner has an existential crisis. One announcement |
| 0:46.0 | before we jump in, we have our final live Holy Post media event of the year coming up this |
| 0:51.2 | Sunday night in Arlington, Massachusetts, with Esau McCauley and Dr. Amy |
| 0:56.0 | Peeler. Not only will you get a chance to ask questions and hear from two brilliant New Testament |
| 1:01.1 | scholars, but you'll also get a chance to connect with other holy posters from your area. |
| 1:06.1 | I just did a similar event in L.A. last weekend, and it was a blast. So if you're in Boston or nearby, |
| 1:12.5 | don't miss your chance to join Esau, Amy, and producer Mike Strelow too. Tickets are available |
| 1:18.1 | at holypost.com slash events. Again, that's holypost.com slash events. Here is episode 696. |
| 1:27.3 | Hey there, welcome to the Holy Post podcast. I'm Phil Vissure. I am here |
| 1:32.0 | with Sky Jatani. Hi, Sky. Hi, Phil. Fresh back from California. Fresh. Tan. Wet. Tan, very wet. |
| 1:38.0 | Rested. No, no, it's the sunshine state. North Florida. What is California? Raining all weekend. Really? In L.A. All weekend? Yeah. Were people like swerving around and sliding and smashing into each other? In Southern California, I realized they treat rain like a blizzard. Yeah. Everything shuts down. People are flummocks. They don't know what to do. They stay home. All their plastic surgery starts running. |
| 2:03.3 | Oh, no. Help. I'm melting. And we don't have Caitlin. Caitlin's at home in California, taking the week off. Who said she could take a break? |
| 2:11.9 | Yeah. Good question. I wasn't even asked. I was not asked if I thought Caitlin could take a break. |
| 2:19.6 | Mike Erie's here. Oh, Mike, hi. |
| 2:27.4 | I am a tomato and I am delighted to be here. Thank you. Okay. That's an inside joke, which will, |
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