You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free.

If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts.

So it's all acting like safe haven.

I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their

currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.

I mean, that's part of the bold case for Bitcoin.

If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

Gian, this is crazy.

This is the first time that you've been on this show.

And it's for a very, I don't want to say somber,

but we're going to record to make the case for yourself and Bill to stay out of prison.

This is a morbid way to start out the podcast. How are you, number one?

Yeah, I'm doing good. Thank you for having me on here, Marty. I was trying to remember if I had done this podcast or not as Samurai, because I know we've done

some things together, but I don't think it was this podcast.

Yeah, I think we've done Rabbit Hole Recap and other things together.

I don't know, I've been thinking a lot over the last few days of how to start this episode.

I've been watching a lot of the appearances

you've done on Pod 256, the show with Kevin Kelly and Tevlo last week. And I think jumping off,

obviously, you are the co-founder of Samurai Wallet, yourself, and Bill were subject of prosecution from the Department of Justice.

You guys pled out to take on a lesser sentence. And I think we'll get into the sort of details

of the trial and how that went.

But before the what, I think it's important really, because I've known you in the space for quite a while going all the way back to your blockchain.info days.

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