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W. Empire pod UK.com. Hello and me William Grimple and we are now on the big

finale for our slavery series and I've got the wonderful Alex Renton with us but we should fess up this was actually

recorded at the Jaipulich Festival last January and we have an update which we're

going to go straight into before we go to the recording we made because Alex and a few others have gone on to

found something called the heirs of slavery. Alita tell us about it.

Well so the heirs of slavery including people like Laura Trevellian, who used to be a colleague

of mine at the BBC.

There is a Gladsden involved.

There is, I mean, there are sort of prominent names from British society whose families benefited from slavery.

So the heirs of slavery are looking into the development of programs for reparations and apology for what happened.

And you know, Alex Renton is very much in the heart of this.

There's also an organization which you should know about it, which is Carricole.

It's a Caribbean group of nations and this has been like a huge topic of conversation in the Commonwealth as well

that they want acknowledgement, repair and reconciliation when it comes to slavery.

But Alex and the heirs of slavery, this is a new thing where they are actually going

through line by line what their families did and what their families had and what their families may owe.

So the heirs of slavery want the European nations that were involved in slavery, particularly Portugal, Britain, France, and Spain and Holland,

to acknowledge the Karikom, Caribbean Nation plan for reparative justice, which means a full apology, development programs for

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