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W. Empire pod UK.com. Hello and me William Darumpel.

Now you know what I know we've had an astonishing response to some of the programs that we've done and some of them are lovely and you're very very kind and some of them are a little cranky which is fine you're allowed.

But what I've been really touched by is the number of people who've sent emails that start

off with what?

One of the big what bags was about the slavery of people in England and you know

ships coming up to Essex and Stepney and and and and and Cornishmen.

And great chunks of Ireland.

Absolutely.

Because so much of the conversation about slavery is, I mean, if you're in Britain, I think it depends where you live, if you're in

Britain it's Wilberforce. Everything stems from Wilberforce. If you learn

about slavery, it's almost always in the context of the Brits being the

saviors. That's right. the white saviors coming in,

swooping in, stopping this terrible practice.

Absolutely.

I mean you've got, you know, I remember illustrations from children's books, you know, where

you've got ships swooping in and taking the slave ships and

liberating the men who are under decks.

And there is a real security blanket of goodness and heroism, you know.

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