688: The MAGA Contradiction & Educational Injustice with Terence Lester
The Holy Post
Phil Vischer
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🗓️ 24 September 2025
⏱️ 86 minutes
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Summary
The memorial service for Charlie Kirk revealed a deep contradiction with the MAGA movement. Kirk's widow was cheered when she forgave his assassin and modeled Jesus' command to love your enemies. But the crowd also cheered when Stephen Miller and President Trump dehumanized their opponents and expressed hatred for their enemies. Esau McCaulley joins Phil and Skye to discuss the tension between Christian love and pagan power. Also this week, Dr. Terence Lester tells his inspiring story in his new book, "From Dropout to Doctorate," and how he's working both spiritually and systemically to reform education.
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7:35 - Charlie Kirk's Mixed Memorial Service
11:56 - Christlike Responses
22:53 - Two MAGAs
31:57 - Black Christians Grapple with Kirk's Legacy
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46:05 - Interview
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52:47 - The Headstart People Don't Get
1:01:48 - The Sick, Sin, and System Narratives
1:14:33 - How He Decided Not to Quite
1:25:18 - End Credits
Links Mentioned in News Segment:
Bulwark Article on Two Speeches at the Memorial:
https://www.thebulwark.com/i/174243794/a-tale-of-two-speeches
Black Christians Confront Charlie Kirk's Religious Legacy:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/09/22/charlie-kirk-black-christians/
Other Resources:
From Dropout to Doctorate: Breaking the Chains of Educational Injustice by Terence Lester: https://a.co/d/itUHu8I
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Holy Post. The memorial service for Charlie Kirk revealed a deep contradiction |
| 0:05.0 | within the MAGA movement. Kirk's widow was cheered when she forgave his assassin and modeled |
| 0:10.2 | Jesus' command to love our enemies. But the crowd also cheered when Stephen Miller and Donald Trump |
| 0:15.4 | dehumanized their opponents and expressed hatred for their enemies. Issa Macaulay joins me and Phil this week to discuss the tension between Christian love |
| 0:24.2 | and pagan power. |
| 0:26.1 | Also this week, Dr. Terrence Lester tells his inspiring story in his new book, From Dropout |
| 0:31.3 | to Doctorate, and how he's working both spiritually and systemically to reform education. |
| 0:36.9 | Hey, if you're still looking for a good reason to become a Holy Post Plus member, |
| 0:40.3 | well, I've got one for you. |
| 0:41.3 | Terrence Slesser's new book, from dropout to doctorate, breaking the chains of educational |
| 0:46.3 | injustice, is our pick for the Holy Post Book Club this quarter. |
| 0:49.3 | That means subscribers to Holy Post Plus at the $10 or higher level will get a free copy of his book. |
| 0:55.4 | And when you hear the interview today, you're really going to want one. |
| 0:58.4 | Of course, Holy Post Plus subscribers also get hours of additional content every week, |
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| 1:07.8 | by Caitlin Chess, My Hill to Die On, and you can also get both written |
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| 1:16.6 | and You, plus a whole lot more. That's why we call it Holy Post Plus. Go to holypost.com to sign |
| 1:22.8 | up today. Here is episode 688. Hey there, welcome back to the show. This is Holy Post Podcast. I'm Phil Visher. I'm here with Skyjitani. Hi, Sky. Hi, Phil. And I'm also here with it's not Kaylin. It is not. Who else is it not? It's not Mike Strailo. It's not... Mike Erie. Mike Erie. It is Issa Macaulay. |
| 1:46.0 | I'm glad that I was your first choice. |
| 1:47.1 | As Is Is Is Isa Macaulay? |
| 1:48.8 | How far until the... I'm sorry. |
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