686: Todd Libby on Deceptive Patterns

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4.9 • 623 Ratings

🗓️ 13 October 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Show DescriptionTodd Libby is on the show to talk with us about deceptive patterns on the web, what WCAG is and who it's for, and 5 deceptive patterns in use on the web today. Listen on WebsiteWatch on YouTubeGuestsTodd LibbyGuest's Main URL • Guest's SocialWeb developer and developer advocate from Portland, Maine now living in Phoenix, Arizona. I had been a developer for most of my 25 years professionally in tech before moving to accessibility. Links Front End Nerdery Trump used dark patterns to trick supporters into donating millions more than intended | The Verge Death to Bullshit | Brad Frost Deceptive Patterns (aka Dark Patterns) - spreading awareness since 2010 The Architecture of Anxiety and Shame, Part One

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0:00.0	Hey, you're listening to another episode shop talk.
0:15.0	Hey, you're listening to another episode shop doc.
0:23.6	I'm anime protagonist Dave Rupert.
0:26.0	And with me is Chris Coyer.
0:28.2	Hey, Chris.
0:29.0	Do I get to be the sidekick or the, you have to be the antagonist?
0:31.9	You can be antagonist.
0:33.7	Oh, my gosh.
0:34.5	That's fine.
0:35.2	I do have some enemies.
0:36.0	But I just, I was vibing my hair. that's fine. I do have some enemies.
0:41.0	But I was vibing my hair.
0:44.5	Woke up, my hair decided to be very anime today.
0:47.6	It's just very, very swoopy.
0:50.4	Now it's just in the area where you could keep it.
0:51.7	I wouldn't hate it.
0:53.1	That could be your new personality.
0:54.0	Yeah. Yeah. I do like that I don't
0:56.7	control this experience. Like this last three months, I've been totally not in control. So long for the
1:02.5	ride. Yeah. There's a guy who rocked his hair like that that we used to know, Nate Croft, maybe.
1:09.2	Yeah. Yeah. Remember that guy? That's like Nate Croft hair. Okay. We have a special guest on. It's been a minute. So thanks Mr. Todd Libby for reaching out about some very interesting work you're doing and to be on the show. How are you, Todd? Great. Thanks for having me. Yeah. It's good to be here.
1:28.1	Have you been on shop dot, Todd, or were we on your show?
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