Ah, we're live. All right, Jeff. Thank you very much, man.

Appreciate you coming on here.

It was very cool talking to you in Brazil, and even though it was a very short conversation,

I learned a lot, and I got very fired up about this podcast.

Awesome, man. Great to be here.

Thanks for having me.

Well, thank you and thank you for all the stuff you've done.

For folks who don't know, you're the guy who essentially took down Lance Armstrong or at least

made the case or solidify.

I mean how would you describe it?

Yeah I mean I was involved in the investigation.

You know it was a case run by Department of Justice out of Los Angeles.

I was one of the case agents on it.

So I was associated with it.

That's one of the things that's creepy about it is that the government was going after

bike riders.

It's like, when do you think that they've got some really

important shit to do like I think that bothered a lot of people about the

baseball thing with Barry Bonds and with Mark McGuire and all that Sammy Sosa

stuff is like why is that the fucking Congress involved and

seems yeah you know you know on one hand these were laws that you know the agencies

I was with was were tasked to investigate on On the other hand, in terms of importance,

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