Hello, this is Aaron Jones. Welcome to the podcast. Today, masculinity or specifically, and

this is very important because there was a difference, a toxic form of masculinity and

how it hurts men. Today I'm talking to Judge A. Bowler, whose book is mask off, masculinity

redefined. And we chat about how obviously women are oppressed, as we know, by male violence,

by male dominance in society, but also how men themselves are damaged by a toxic form of masculinity,

which promotes violence, aggression, stops men being able to talk about their problems,

their feelings, when they're suffering mental distress, for example. And how this has terrible

consequences in lots of different ways. So it's a really interesting and nuanced discussion.

When I posted this video version of my Facebook page, it sparked outrage for people who didn't

even click on the link to watch it. They just thought seeing toxic masculinity means demonizing men,

which it doesn't, or that masculinity is being demonized as an 80 toxic, which it isn't. I think

those people understand the difference between coke and diet's coke, but they don't seem to understand

that toxic masculinity doesn't mean all masculinity. And the whole point partly about the book is to look

at how we can help create a different form of masculinity and support it. So do give it a listen,

it's a really interesting discussion. Do you support us on Patreon to keep the channel going

and to do more stuff like our documentaries, or use the support function, do the five stars

if you can and a review. And with that said, I hope you all well and enjoy the discussion.

It is really great to have JJ Bowler here today talking about his new book, Mask of

Masculinity Redefined. Firstly, hello, good to see you. How you doing?

Finally, clawing our way through to some form of normality. It is a bit cold to be drinking outside,

as I've discovered. I don't know how you're feeling. Yeah, I'm not going outside for a while.

Everyone's talking about Alfresco dining. I'm just like, no, I'm staying in my home, thank you.

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